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The result of the move request was: Moved to Phillip Adams (writer) — Amakuru (talk) 21:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per page views [1] Joeykai (talk) 08:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Aervanath (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support the footballer has 117,778 views compared with only 3,123 for the judge and the suicide was nearly 9 months ago so recentism should be less of an issue, also the sport shooter has 264 views. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is he really a journalist? Phillip Adams (broadcaster) may be better. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He's much more than a broadcaster (or a journalist) – see article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So what disambiguator would you suggest? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea. For that reason alone, I'll Oppose. I still think that page views, which fluctuate wildly for the footballer, support the above argument of WP:Recentism. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. I agree with Michael Bednarek - the Australian is very difficult to categorise, given his many roles, including being a leading figure in the renaissance of the Australian film industry, and as a public intellectual. Re the footballer, despite that country's obsession with Gun violence in the United States, there's so much of it that interest in him will probably continue to wane over time as it's overtaken by other incidents. Bahudhara (talk) 05:11, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per nom, very clearly not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by page views or long-term significance. The page HAS to be moved, the only question is what the disambiguator is, and I think "journalist" or "broadcaster" (or both as redirects) should be fine.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. There are seven men listed upon the Phillip Adams (disambiguation) page with no indication that the Australian media personality has such a high profile across the entire English-speaking world that his renown overshadows the combined notability of the remaining six men. Would also support the alternative forms Phillip Adams → Phillip Adams (broadcaster), per Necrothesp, or Phillip Adams → Phillip Adams (media personality). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:17, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Of the 7 men at the disambiguation page, only 3 are name "Phillip Adams". // I suggest that another way of measuring WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is to count "what links here". There are >330 for the Australian, >190 from articles, and >110 for the footballer, 47 from articles. Results for other users may be different, but here in the top 20 Google search results, 2 are for the footballer, 2 for others, and 16 for the broadcaster. Bing's top 10 give 4 for the footballer, 6 for the Australian. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since all seven men are listed under the same main title header — Phillip Adams (disambiguation), they should have equal eligibility to primary status. If either Philip Adams or Phil Adams was, for instance, a head of state, then he would be the primary topic and this dab page would be renamed Philip Adams (disambiguation) or Phil Adams (disambiguation), but still list the same seven men.

Regarding "What links here" for Phillip Adams (journalist / broadcaster / media personality), the links also include a template that lists 48 names at the bottom of his article. However, the main argument, as pointed out by Crouch, Swale, is that nine months after the murder-suicide, the footballer still has such a lopsided primacy of views that it is not possible for the Australian to continue as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think broadcaster is a sensible term for him. He does write stuff which resembles the witterings of a senile millionaire lefty hobby-farmer, which is published in The Australian to keep the blood pressure of its audience high, but his main claim to fame is his show on the wireless which is unaccountably popular. Greglocock (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it's informative to have the views of someone who detests the subject of the discussion, but really not that useful. I became aware of Adams long before he was a broadcaster and, as others have pointed out, he is famous for a lot more than that. Narrowing it to Broadcaster would be classic recentism. This article describes him as "an Australian humanist, social commentator, broadcaster, public intellectual and farmer". I don't think the last in that list matters for this challenge, but is it against the rules to use ALL of the first four, i.e. "Australian humanist, social commentator, broadcaster and public intellectual"? HiLo48 (talk) 01:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good grief, I don't detest him, life is too short. And I may have been exaggerating. You are right, recentism is a good way of describing 'broadcaster'. The stuff he did in the film industry was pretty significant. Um, given the difficulty of encapsulating a life in one word, perhaps PA(Australian) would do? I'll leave it at that. Greglocock (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support With multiple notable people named Phillip Adams, disambiguation is needed. I'd support Phillip Adams (Writer) more than journalist because he wrote advertising copy, scripts, columns, books, essays, opinion pieces. He gets a lot of mentions and links because he worked in Australian media for many years and often (deliberately) stirred up controversy. Perhaps Phillip Adams (Influencer) might be more apposite. He used to be more notable than he is now. Once bitingly witty, now merely sad old bigot, a caricature of what he used to be. --Pete (talk) 03:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Writer" is a good suggestion. I am intrigued now though as to why some commenters seem so desperate to say rude things about this person. That's two here now. It really isn't helpful. HiLo48 (talk) 10:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Classic Tall poppy syndrome. Bahudhara (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would likewise support the form Phillip Adams (writer) as well as any other parenthetical qualifier acceptable to consensus as long as we arrive at the goal of WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Post-move archives

User:Amakuru's moving of this article included its archive pages, but even though I changed Cluebot III's configuration, the archive pages don't show up. Can somebody fix that, please? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:23, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael Bednarek: thanks for spotting this, and I've identified the cause - the page now at User:ClueBot III/Indices/Talk:Phillip Adams (writer) had to be moved as well. I've done that, and the archive links now look good on this page. CHeers — Amakuru (talk) 08:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]